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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Nature&#8217; requires responsible party</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Kluyver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Kluyver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But surely, if you&#039;re relying on &quot;the assumption that more extensive experimental data/documentation may be available&quot;, that assumption is itself trust.

Ultimately, unless you&#039;re going to repeat every single experiment you ever read about, you have to place a certain amount of trust in other people. Even if you ask for the raw data, synthesising some would take only a few minutes with a computer.

The most high profile and controversial science will be replicated. After all, that&#039;s where people are most likely to lie. But 99% of the time, we have to cite someone&#039;s work and trust them (or the standards of the journal it&#039;s published in).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But surely, if you&#8217;re relying on &#8220;the assumption that more extensive experimental data/documentation may be available&#8221;, that assumption is itself trust.</p>
<p>Ultimately, unless you&#8217;re going to repeat every single experiment you ever read about, you have to place a certain amount of trust in other people. Even if you ask for the raw data, synthesising some would take only a few minutes with a computer.</p>
<p>The most high profile and controversial science will be replicated. After all, that&#8217;s where people are most likely to lie. But 99% of the time, we have to cite someone&#8217;s work and trust them (or the standards of the journal it&#8217;s published in).</p>
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		<title>By: MJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 23:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It rather seems that &quot;good old-fashioned trust&quot; is not the way to run a scientific enterprise.  We don&#039;t &quot;trust&quot; that someone&#039;s results are valid without some degree of documentation within a journal article itself, and the assumption that more extensive experimental data/documentation may be available.  We don&#039;t &quot;trust&quot; (or shouldn&#039;t) that people have zero conflicts of interest, unless it is so declared (and even then it&#039;s no sure thing).  Journals certainly should take some steps in reforming authorship, including verifying possible conflicts of interest or lacks thereof. And we certainly *know* that honorary authorship happens, at the least, not uncommonly. Old-fashioned trust is great, but within science, nowhere is the phrase &quot;trust, but verify&quot; more pertinent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It rather seems that &#8220;good old-fashioned trust&#8221; is not the way to run a scientific enterprise.  We don&#8217;t &#8220;trust&#8221; that someone&#8217;s results are valid without some degree of documentation within a journal article itself, and the assumption that more extensive experimental data/documentation may be available.  We don&#8217;t &#8220;trust&#8221; (or shouldn&#8217;t) that people have zero conflicts of interest, unless it is so declared (and even then it&#8217;s no sure thing).  Journals certainly should take some steps in reforming authorship, including verifying possible conflicts of interest or lacks thereof. And we certainly *know* that honorary authorship happens, at the least, not uncommonly. Old-fashioned trust is great, but within science, nowhere is the phrase &#8220;trust, but verify&#8221; more pertinent.</p>
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